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Lia Hestina
Hi everyone, this is Lia from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker or session leader that you want read out, please write them in the Q&A window stating your name and affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
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Ave Ozkal
Comic sans!
(15:02:01)
Yes, but can you do F11?
(15:02:12)

Nico Schottelius
cltr-f5 in google docs
(15:02:49)

Simon Lockhart
I missed this presentation at NANOG last week because they moved it in the agenda :(
(15:03:12)

Andreas Härpfer
Then why oh why does GCP still *not* have IPv6?
(15:04:11)

Simon Lockhart
@andreas because it doesn't connect to the treadmills?
(15:04:55)

Michael Richardson
:-( on GCP+IPv6.
(15:06:03)

Christian Bretterhofer
can we list 3rd-party VPN systems which work/not work on ipv6 only?
(15:06:55)
i donot care for Gym Treadmills
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Lia Hestina
Christian, would you like to ask that question to the speaker? If you do, please state your question via Q&A window
(15:09:00)

Michael Richardson
wow. Finally, the Killer App for IPv6!
(15:10:44)

Shane Kerr
This WiFi pilot sounds like a good plan for the RIPE meeting, should we ever have a face-to-face meeting ever again.
(15:13:14)

Michael Richardson
FOSDEM has been IPv6-only for some time. IETF has had IPv6-only too. I thought RIPE had that already.
(15:13:46)

Raymond Jetten
SHane : we discussed it in rotterdam for to be in berlin, but....
(15:13:57)

Brian Trammell
....$100 or 6 IPv4 addresses...
(15:14:04)

Michael Richardson
I don't think there is a lot more to learn. RFC8925 !!
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Andreas Härpfer
@Michael there has been a v6-only network at RIPE meetings for quite a while now, it just wasn't the default.
(15:16:19)

Brian Nisbet_930
Not Starcraft II!
(15:16:33)

Stefan Hedenig
god damnit blizzard
(15:16:47)

Marek Barczyk
missing link: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Li…or-the-desktop-client/idi-p/4769350
(15:17:14)

Jelte Jansen
You used to be cool, Blizzard.
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Marek Barczyk
copied from pdf
(15:17:19)

Brian Trammell
thanks marek!
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Christian Bretterhofer
https://teamarin.net/2019/04/03/mic…ard-ipv6-only-single-stack-network/ By Veronika McKillop - Network Architect, Microsoft CSEO
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Brian Nisbet_930
Veronika's work on this in MS is amazing.
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Tom Hill
Useful Marek, thanks - voted
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Andreas Härpfer
@Christian re MS … yeah, but Github still doesn't have IPv6 :-(
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Michael Richardson
The spotify links are all marked inactive, we can't upvote them :-(
(15:19:11)

Brian Trammell
are the github net folks in the house?
(15:19:22)
michael: you don't have to follow the links from Jen's link, just log in to spotify and click "vote" on the right.
(15:19:52)

Tom Hill
Is there some irony that the Spotify web player (open.spotify.com) is on Google Cloud, and presents a AAAA record? :)
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Brian Trammell
:D
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Christian Bretterhofer
I run a ipv6 to github proxy for me ..
(15:20:06)

Tom Hill
Work laptop: test-ipv6.com, 0/10
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Own computer on same network: 10/10
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Andreas Härpfer
@Tom: LBs in Google Cloud *do* have IPv6, but VPCs don't.
(15:21:06)

Shane Kerr
Does Meetecho work on NAT64? :-D
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Tom Hill
I have some work to do, clearly.
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Ave Ozkal
Apparently spotify desktop can be used on NAT64 if you use --experimental-network
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Christian Bretterhofer
open.spotify.com. 277 IN CNAME edge-web-split-geo.dual-gslb.spotify.com. edge-web-split-geo.dual-gslb.spotify.com. 150 IN AAAA 2600:1901:1:c36::
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Tom Hill
@Andreas: do they not do some NAT64 to hide that?
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Michael Richardson
Meetecho works on NAT64. and IPv6-only.
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Andreas Härpfer
@Tom: You mean when accessing hosts via their external IP … AFAIK not
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Stefan Hedenig
@tom Funnily enough, that test scores my PC 10/10 even though it doesn't even have an IPv6 address
(15:22:58)

Jørgen Hovland
Any news about the Google vs Cogent ipv6 peering war btw ? Google is still without full ipv6 coverage in 2020
(15:23:03)

Ondrej Caletka
IPv4-first: is she talking about GCP? :)
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Ave Ozkal
Let's just abolish cogent
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No more spam, no more peering wars
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Tom Hill
I suspect that until HE play the same peering game as Cogent, there won't be any peering.
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James Blessing
@ave but you'd miss their super megz ix project
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Tom Hill
It is probably time for HE to adopt a grown-up policy on peering, but that's not my job to figure out :)
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(At least not currently)
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Marek Barczyk
how about "Test-of-5G-net" ssid name? ;)
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Fredy Kuenzler
"very-slow-and-laggy-IPv4-WiFi-better-to-be-avoided"
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Will van Gulik
hehe
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Marek Barczyk
"Cogent-ipv6-part" ssid
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Jan Walzer
*applause*
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Marek Barczyk
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Stefan Hedenig
👏👏👏👏👏
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Matthieu Herrb
👏
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Dmitry Kohmanyuk
proposing IP-XX-century SSID
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Peter Koch
👏{99}
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Marek Barczyk
SLAAC is perfect for google why do you ask about privacy :)
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Tom Hill
Really enjoyed that, Jen. Thank you. I'll be sending the recording to everyone that tells me Enterprises "can't use IPv6" :)
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Stefan Wahl
nice talk, Jen.
(15:29:04)

James Blessing
nice talk jen
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Brian Nisbet_930
*applause*
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Lia Hestina
This session has now ended. The next session is Plenary and it will start at 16:00 CET. More info on the RIPE 81 meeting plan: https://ripe81.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
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Lia Hestina
Sorry too soon, after Massimo session
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Hi everyone, this is Lia from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker or session leader that you want read out, please write them in the Q&A window stating your name and affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
(15:30:18)

Jen Linkova
(me writing down all SSID names suggestions...) ;)
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Wolfgang Tremmel
upvoted your spotify feature request
(15:31:02)

Nico Schottelius
What about "Attention-Evil-IPv4-Monsters-might-eat-you"
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Jen Linkova
hopefully with RFC8925 we can get rid of multiple SSIDs.
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Ave Ozkal
Have a poop emoji as the SSID
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I did that before. It works.
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Franziska Lichtblau_911
Nico, dont attract excitement seekers ;)
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Fredy Kuenzler
@jen can you share the link where to upvote Spotify request
(15:31:28)

Maximilian Wilhelm
"Here be IPv4 dragions"
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Ave Ozkal
IoT devices aren't too happy with it tho
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Wolfgang Tremmel
https://community.spotify.com/t5/Li…or-the-desktop-client/idi-p/4769350
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Jen Linkova
Nico: we need something short, your Macbook would probably show it as 'Attention...' which is not what we want ;))
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Nico Schottelius
Ave, that's the reason why we moved a lot of IoT devices from Arduino to PI/embedded Linux -> having a real OS == having a real IPv6 stack
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Andreas Härpfer
poop emoji would be very short :-)
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Jen Linkova
;)))
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João Luis Silva Damas
upvoted
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Fredy Kuenzler
upvoting done
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Jen Linkova
Thank you!!!
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Timo Hilbrink
upvoted :)
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Jen Linkova
I knew I can count on RIPE community ;)
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Maximilian Wilhelm
DDOS on spotify bug tracker? :)
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Franziska Lichtblau_911
Your ipv6 friendly botnet ;)
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Ave Ozkal
Jen, did you see the "--experimental-network" switch btw?
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Fredy Kuenzler
we are no longer nerds, we are bots
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Jen Linkova
They have more than a year to get it fixed ;))))
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Ave Ozkal
Obviously not a good fix, but can help people get it working in the meanwhile.
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Jen Linkova
Yeah, I have. AFAIK it works in the browser mode too...
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I have an action item long overdue - to publish the 'know issues' and the workarounds somewhere....
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Ave Ozkal
That'd be great
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Jen Linkova
Stay tuned...
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Ave Ozkal
in convincing people to go IPv6-only
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Andy Davidson
How hard is it for someone trustworthy and neutral to solve this lack of central repo problem?
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it sounds like lack of central repo is a manufactured problem so that we don't upset commercial pigeons providers
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wtf, I typed ipgeo and it auto-corrected to pigeons
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Leo Vegoda
Heh :-)
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Mohamad Choaib
hehe
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Jen Linkova
ok, thanks to everyone - as it's 1:40am here, I might need to drop off...if anyone would like to have a chat about IPv6 - you know where to find me...and please join our IPv6 WG session on Thu!!!
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Stefan Wahl
will do
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Maximilian Wilhelm
good night :-)
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Lia Hestina
Andy, is that a question for the current speaker, if yes, please state your question via Q&A window with your name and affiliation. Thank you.
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Andy Davidson
ok, I will and I will try to do so in a way that is less rude to commercial ipgeo/pigeon providers
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Wolfgang Tremmel
or queue up for the microphone once Massimo has finished
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Lia Hestina
That's also possible :)
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Robert Kisteleki
indeed you don't want to upset commercial pigeon providers
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Tom Hill
Oh no... It's goofeed time!
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Michael Richardson
but, about the geofeed: attribute? What would it take to just implement that in the five RIRs, and forget about this remark hack?
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Wolfgang Tremmel
geofeed over avian carriers?
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Marek Barczyk
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Sasha Romijn
The geofeed: attribute will be supported in the next release of IRRd, btw: https://github.com/irrdnet/irrd/pull/404
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Andy Davidson
pull 404? won't it just say that all feeds are not found? :)
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Wolfgang Tremmel
sorry, no more questions please, we are already over time
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Peter Koch
the own vs control question might be interesting input for the database task force ...
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Lia Hestina
This session has now ended. The next session is Plenary and it will start at 16:00 CET. More info on the RIPE 81 meeting plan: https://ripe81.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
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