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Alastair Strachan
Hi everyone, I'm Alastair Strachan from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker and you want the session chair to read it out, please write it in the Q&A window stating your name and affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
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Erik Bais
*clap clap *
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Brian Nisbet
*applause*
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Aaron Hughes
*clap* *clap* *clap*
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Piotr Strzyżewski
clap clap
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Christian Adler
clapclap
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Marco Schmidt
👏
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Kurt Erik Lindqvist
Thank you all!
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Julf Helsingius
Clap clap
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Hotel California....
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Kurt Kayser
this is not a good map - projection shows greenland bigger than Australia.. that's not quite the case..
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Julf Helsingius
Hans Petter being north-biased? Noo.... :)
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Andy Davidson
resolution later to shrink all countries outside of the service region, please keep up
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Chris Buckridge
hear har, Kurt (speaking as an Australian)
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Brian Nisbet
Yeah, sadly outdated cartography, even while I understand the focus on the service region.
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Lee Howard_387
I blame Mercatur
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Kurt Kayser
Probably a Mercartor Projection, which shows the north half in much larger scale.
(16:09:07)

Remco van Mook
maps are surprisingly hard - and finding a decent projection even more so
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Niall O'Reilly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gall%E2%80%93Peters_projection
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Julf Helsingius
If banks won't do it, I am happy to do the money laundering for RIPE NCC
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Kurt Kayser
I'd recommend 2 Robinson (https://futuremaps.com/blogs/news/top-10-world-map-projections)
(16:10:52)

Shane Kerr
I'm a fan of Goode’s Homolosine, at least for maps where we care mostly about people..
(16:14:54)

Leo Vegoda
@shane - how does that work?
(16:16:32)

Daniel Karrenberg
how does hph leaving for norway cause bars and restos to close in amsterdam ?????
(16:17:01)
;-)!
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Denesh Bhabuta
I was wondering that too Daniel
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Erik Bais
They lost all their revenue Daniel.. ;-)
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Denesh Bhabuta
Did the bars and restos in Norway re-open instead?
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Kurt Erik Lindqvist
Every time HPH paid Norwegian prices and therefor now own all the bars in Amsterdam?
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Denesh Bhabuta
Argh.. I'm trying to click on the OCI graphic to make it larger completely forgetting it is a slide.
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Bengt Gördén
Is that Hola Carzy, Holacracy or Holocracy
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Daniel Karrenberg
It is finding a way to have the formal organisation match the successful parts of the de-facto organisation. ;-)
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Kurt Kayser
@Denesh: that would be a neat feature.. clickable slides in meeting-apps
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Alexander Isavnin
Thanks to NCC CEO for noticing Geopolitics, and future focus on inclusion
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Denesh Bhabuta
Kurt: +1
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Erik Bais
Thnx. Hans Petter.
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Alastair Strachan
one more question in Q&A
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Bengt Gördén
audio stutters from speaker
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Wessel Sandkuijl
Same here
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Olivier Benghozi
I can confirm
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Vladislav Bidikov
can we try without video maybe?
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Daniel Karrenberg
@Alexander: I sense an undertone that suggests that the RIPE NCC has not done this before. This has never been the case.
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Mike Hughes
Yep, audio dropouts and loss of lip-sync.
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Kurt Kayser
+1
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Daniel Karrenberg
same audio/video issues here.
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Guillaume Rousseau
same here
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Mirjam Kühne
I am impressed that the stenographers can still follow.
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Bengt Gördén
stenogrophers seem to get it right though
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Mirjam Kühne
:-)
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Bengt Gördén
:)
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Guillaume Rousseau
they have super powers
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Radu-Adrian Feurdean
they use CRC to recover lost pieces
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Kurt Kayser
@steno: knowing what will be said, before it even stutters..
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Radu-Adrian Feurdean
or FEC
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Paul Boissel Dombreval
I would suggest Felipe to disable his camera to save some bandwidth.
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Bengt Gördén
@Guillaume I see a new Marvel character in front of me
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Daniel Karrenberg
@alexander: i will be happy to provide pointers to examples on how both RIPE and the RIPE NCC have been actively dealing with geopolitics since before RIPE1.
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Kurt Kayser
thanks HPH
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Aaron Hughes
So much for that idea.. :)
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Wolfgang Tremmel
that did not help
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Mark Janssen
doesn't seem to help all the glitches
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Guillaume Rousseau
:-)
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Mark Janssen
slightly better
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Vladislav Bidikov
a bit better... at least frames do not drop to 0
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Guillaume Rousseau
Steno were using CRC with the video reading on the lips, now would be a bit difficult
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Niall O'Reilly
For me, a bit worse, actually
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Kurt Kayser
hm, not too big of a progress..
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Daniel Karrenberg
a little better here as well
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Menno Schepers_676
The problem is lying somewhere else
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Simon Leinen
Won't happen anymore once everything has been digitized *ducks*
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Robert Scheck
Honestly, the audio quality has not improved from my point of view.
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Mark Janssen
nope
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Erik Bais
Nope the audio quality is pretty bad..
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Hervé Clement
it's worse
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Bengt Gördén
THus is probably not a bandwidth problem
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Kurt Erik Lindqvist
Agreed. Let's see what the meeting team comes up with
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Bengt Gördén
more of a resource problem at the speakers hardware/OS
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Daniel Karrenberg
i suspect his local upstream is loosing packets. also visible in the bandwidht on the slide window.
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Kurt Kayser
the bw indicator in the upper left corner drops to 0 kbps on my screen from time to time
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Daniel Karrenberg
so there is nothing the tech team can do
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Vladislav Bidikov
Don;t let the engineers debugging in chat :)
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Menno Schepers_676
Well we could cycle to his house and bring a spare laptop
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Robert Scheck
And a spare Internet? :)
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Vladislav Bidikov
Menno add a redudant 4G internet line in the package :)
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Menno Schepers_676
;) ok
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Kurt Kayser
but 80% of his content should do, right? :-)
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Sebastian Wiesinger
I can follow the context.
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Vladislav Bidikov
That is why we love the technical team - always ready to help...
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Paul Boissel Dombreval
I also have a crappy connection, so I am watching the hls stream instead, but there's a huge delay. :(
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Oliver Payne
@Paul is the 'live' status accompanied by a red dot? If not click it and you'll be at 'live' which should have ~10 second delay
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Paul Boissel Dombreval
Oliver: I am playing the stream with mpv, and I have 10 seconds of cache, and even if I lower that it's still quite delayed.
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Gert Döring
I have meetecho and web stream open in parallel, and web has about 20s delay
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steno text appears about 10s before audio, so that makes it nice to follow
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Kurt Kayser
the "audio in" sign shows 9-16kbps .. that is really low..
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Jordi Palet Martínez
maybe he was using wifi instead of ethernet ... and that may create troubles if it is being shared or disturbed by neighbours ...
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Daniel Karrenberg
@jordi: one possible explanation. any way it is most likely his local upstream.
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Hans Petter Holen
Felipe is not happy with his Internet connection...
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He is aiming for Glass Fiber before the next meeting...
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Erik Bais
HPH : I will be more than happy to assist on that is needed.
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if needed.
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Alastair Strachan
This session has now ended. The next session is RIPE NCC Services and it will start at 1700. More info on the RIPE 81 meeting plan: https://ripe81.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
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