Olivia Mijnals-Ruimwijk
Hi everyone, I'm Olivia Ruimwijk from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker and you want the session chair to read it out, please write it in the Q&A window stating your name and affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
(10:00:44)
Paul Hoogsteder
Morning all!
(10:01:17)
Denesh Bhabuta
Yes
(10:03:22)
Niall O'Reilly
fine
(10:03:22)
Paul Hoogsteder
Yes
(10:03:24)
Ruben van Staveren
yes
(10:03:26)
Livio Morina
da
(10:03:28)
Seyed Roohollah Marashi
A++++
(10:03:34)
James Kennedy
good morning
(10:05:59)
Melchior Aelmans_519
GOod morning!
(10:07:20)
Harry Cross
As a new-ish comer to the NCC community - it would be nicer if the difference between the 2 was made clearer
(10:12:08)
Elvis Velea_266
it's the RIPE Community and the NCC company :)
(10:12:53)
Niall O'Reilly
@Harry -- as Chair Team, we're on it
(10:13:00)
@Elvis -- thanks
(10:13:08)
Dmitry Serbulov
Some body filled fidback form? Looks "Submit "does not it work.
(10:13:39)
Marita Phelan
@dmitry Thank you! We'll look into it straight away
(10:14:05)
Sasha Romijn
Feedback form worked for me, maybe some required fields not filled in?
(10:14:19)
Oliver Payne
Yes the feedback form doesn't currently redirect to a 'thanks', but rest assured your feedback has been captured and saved!
(10:14:45)
Will van Gulik
yes
(10:15:17)
Sasha Romijn
The part where presenters can't actually see whether other people see their slides, does seem impractical.
(10:15:46)
Shane Kerr
👋
(10:16:07)
Will van Gulik
niall, please mute ;)
(10:16:28)
Marek Barczyk
best way to confirm this is to use second device as feedback, but this introduces a risk of audio loop
(10:16:29)
Peter Koch
echo?
(10:16:29)
Daniel Karrenberg
niall, mute!
(10:16:32)
Melchior Aelmans_519
@Nial, can you please mute your mic
(10:16:41)
Marc Groeneweg
Guess it's Niall ;-)
(10:16:49)
Will van Gulik
thanks !
(10:17:00)
Nathalie Trenaman
@sasha I solved that as a presenter, by converting my slides to HTML, and have them in a seperate browser tab. That allows to switch between tabs and see what is going on on Meetecho at the same time. Worked as a charm
(10:17:06)
Robert Kisteleki
@Sasha: depends on the setup. if you can see the ME window while presention, you can also see if your slides are up or not. works well with a seaparate display
(10:17:06)
*while presenting
(10:17:34)
Wolfgang Tremmel
it also helps to have three screens - PowerPoint only occupies two
(10:17:41)
Marco Hogewoning
Indeed, but sending does not guarantee that everybody receives
(10:17:45)
Seyed Roohollah Marashi
i cannot see u
(10:18:13)
Nathalie Trenaman
Marco, hence the 2 tabs. Just one screen needed
(10:18:19)
Marco Hogewoning
and Keynote has a useful "present in window" these days, got added for exactly this virtual stuff
(10:18:24)
Robert Kisteleki
in the ME window you see what everyone sees so it's a pretty good indicator
(10:18:24)
Bengt Gördén
@Marco -- you can always look at the old stream to see if your slides is there
(10:18:43)
Niall O'Reilly
I muted it already, immediately after speaking
(10:18:56)
Seyed Roohollah Marashi
i can see u now
(10:18:57)
Ondrej Caletka
The problem is with Keynote, because no matter how many screens you have, Keynote will use at most two of them and makes other screens blank
(10:18:59)
The only solution is a separate device :)
(10:19:15)
Nathalie Trenaman
Or HTML the slides :)
(10:19:24)
Sasha Romijn
Or pre-record :)
(10:19:32)
Hans Petter Holen
Keynote even eats the 3rd screen for presenter notes.
(10:19:36)
Marco Hogewoning
??? We need to chat, Keynote never doers that on my end
(10:19:39)
Robert Kisteleki
"present in window" as Marco said works well
(10:19:42)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
if you run meetecho in a tab and switch to another then audio is muted (in Safari) and one has to press reload. so yes, need two devices
(10:19:59)
Ondrej Caletka
Personally, I prefer pdf slides and pdfpc utility, which supports windowed mode
(10:20:06)
Bengt Gördén
seems that a BCP for meetecho speakers are needed
(10:20:16)
Hans Petter Holen
If only I could get speakernotes in a separate window when I present in window.
(10:20:28)
Marco Hogewoning
anyway, maybe we should pay attention to this presenter....seems rather important work
(10:20:32)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
just a phone or ipad to watch live stream or same meetcho without microphone permission should do it
(10:20:33)
Shane Kerr
Thanks @Marco. We think so!
(10:20:57)
Sasha Romijn
If meetecho is staying, some practical tips for common presentation software would definitely be nice. As well as a testing session that's open the whole meeting.
(10:21:11)
Oliver Payne
thanks Sasha, noted :)
(10:21:50)
Olivia Mijnals-Ruimwijk
Hi Sasha there was a testing session on Monday morning
(10:22:02)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
there is no harm to keep it running all the time
(10:22:23)
Harry Cross
probably financial
(10:22:38)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
does not have to be attended :)
(10:22:42)
well meetecho is open source right? and there is also Jitsu meet — which does not scale that well i heard
(10:23:19)
Gert Döring
ondrej: pdfpc is a pdf viewer?
(10:23:36)
Ondrej Caletka
PDF presenter's console, yes:
(10:24:03)
https://github.com/pdfpc/pdfpc
(10:24:05)
Will van Gulik
dmitry, you have tweaks for jitsi, i didnt tried them. We use BBB on our side, but didnt tried above 50 participants
(10:24:25)
Gert Döring
ondrej: nice. I had the issue with PDF and fullscreen... next meeting I know better :-)
(10:24:54)
Niall O'Reilly
In m y experience, the "knee" for jisi seems to be about a dozen participants. I'ld love to learn about tweaks
(10:24:57)
Daniel Karrenberg
><><><><>< for James
(10:25:26)
Will van Gulik
niall, ill try to find the details and forward them to you, we can disscuss that
(10:25:30)
Ondrej Caletka
@Dmitry, Meetecho is not open source. It is based on open source project Janus, but that's just the core of it. All the bells and whistles are actually commercial
(10:25:32)
Christian Teuschel
well done James!
(10:25:41)
Hervé Clement
very clear James ! Thanks !
(10:26:05)
Denesh Bhabuta
Happy Birthday, Leo :-)
(10:26:30)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
well then there is even more need to make it usable - right now it look amateurish in many details
(10:27:01)
Rumy Kanis
Yes! Happy birthday Leo :). Good to see you!
(10:27:03)
Olivia Mijnals-Ruimwijk
Happy birthday Leo. Indeed great to see you!!!
(10:27:40)
Daniel Karrenberg
dah dha daaaah dah, daah daaaaaaah; dah dha daaaah dah, daah daaaaaaah; dah dha daaaah dah, daah Leo, dah dha daaaah dah, daah daaaaaaah]
(10:28:31)
Shane Kerr
I think Meetecho is much better for the RIPE meeting than Zoom at least. And I would rather use a telephone conference call than WebEx. :-D
(10:29:41)
Lovely to see the CoC work proceeding.
(10:30:02)
Ruben van Staveren
Yes, indeed
(10:30:15)
Denesh Bhabuta
Thanks
(10:30:40)
Gert Döring
yes, meetecho is much nicer, especially the microphone queue is just great.
(10:30:48)
Mohamad Boroumandfar
Meetecho better than zoom . i am agree with you
(10:30:57)
Daniel Karrenberg
i am awake and curious to see the next draft!
(10:30:58)
Brian Nisbet
I <3 the microphone queue.
(10:31:03)
Franziska Lichtblau
o/ yes, the microphone queue is great
(10:31:06)
Gert Döring
the fine details about presenting, window mode / presenter notes etc. need to be sorted out... we had some issues with that as well (if you share a full screen, you cannot see the countdown timer)
(10:31:21)
Hervé Clement
Has the yesterday dance party finished late yesterday ?
(10:31:21)
Ruben van Staveren
had bug blue button for another webinar last night, and for sure I see the added value of the microphone queue
(10:31:25)
Marco Hogewoning
it pretty much was done at 21:30~22:00 CET
(10:31:51)
Leo Vegoda
Thank you all for the birthday wishes!
(10:31:54)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
there can be many UX changes implemented so yes perhaps we need to collect all feedback systematically, from attendees, presenters and chairs, and also staff
(10:32:26)
Hervé Clement
@ Marco thanks :) not too late compared the previous ones
(10:32:45)
Sasha Romijn
@Dmitry: that's what the feedback form is for :)
(10:32:59)
Oliver Payne
/attend/feedback/ :)
(10:33:19)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
which feedback form? :)
(10:33:33)
Chris Buckridge
@Dmitry, the NCC is definitely collecting all feedback and suggestion systematically, so yes, the important thing is for people to make sure they send it there!
(10:33:37)
(and Oliver has the link - thanks Oli!)
(10:33:46)
Bengt Gördén
regarding online meeting software. I ran across this one last night. https://www.org.meet.coop/
(10:34:17)
Florian Streibelt
I think most of the people are actually pretty happy with ME ;)
(10:34:21)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
it is not linked from meeting site - which by the way is much nicer designed with big mobile-friendly buttons on top, for the first time i can find everything in one click!
(10:34:35)
Franziska Lichtblau
Usually we also all receive a mail with the feedback form :)
(10:35:10)
[ after the meeting of course ]
(10:35:17)
Brian Nisbet
Dmitry, the feedback form is on the front page of ripe81.ripe.net
(10:35:20)
Denesh Bhabuta
We were up until quite late at the social last night.. so still very sleepy.
(10:36:24)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
yes it is on main page, but not on live streaming :)
(10:36:28)
Leo Vegoda
It is not quite 3am here, Denesh
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Hervé Clement
@ Denesh I understand :)
(10:36:52)
Denesh Bhabuta
Hah!
(10:36:55)
Leo Vegoda
It's been weird going to bed at 5pm
(10:36:57)
Elvis Velea_266
I go to bed at 6AM and miss the mornings
(10:37:25)
Hervé Clement
ohhh !
(10:37:32)
Denesh Bhabuta
@Elvis you are in the same TZ as leo
(10:37:43)
Elvis Velea_266
miss = sleep
(10:37:47)
Hervé Clement
as my hotel is far away I had to leave pretty early
(10:37:50)
Elvis Velea_266
yup, PST
(10:37:53)
Florian Streibelt
going to bed when the sun was up in Iceland was weird!
(10:37:53)
James Kennedy
@Leo, good night!
(10:37:57)
Denesh Bhabuta
Need coffee
(10:38:29)
Will van Gulik
true florian
(10:38:48)
Livio Morina
Please offer Danesh!
(10:38:56)
Denesh Bhabuta
Leo will have a camomile tea maybe..
(10:38:56)
Livio Morina
Dhaniavaad
(10:39:02)
Denesh Bhabuta
:-) @Livio
(10:39:11)
Leo Vegoda
No, I have had 2 cups of black coffee and am now on a green jasmine tea
(10:39:20)
Wolfgang Tremmel
this is not the General Meeting
(10:39:26)
Livio Morina
Leo, you need some short strong italian coffee
(10:39:35)
Eliot Lear
@Livio don't we all?
(10:40:11)
Peter Koch
thanks a lot, HPH!
(10:40:32)
Livio Morina
I don't. I already had 3 this morning
(10:40:38)
Denesh Bhabuta
I'll be making a short Portuguese espresso @Livio
(10:40:43)
@HPH - Yes, Yes!
(10:40:57)
Nathalie Trenaman
I love green jasmine tea! Let's have a green jasmin tea next time we meet, Leo :)
(10:41:06)
Livio Morina
I miss the Portuguese version. I'm curious
(10:41:07)
let me google it
(10:41:12)
Denesh Bhabuta
Look up "Delta Cafés"
(10:41:26)
Livio Morina
thik'eh
(10:42:05)
I'm going to buy
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Denesh Bhabuta
:-)
(10:43:09)
@Eileen +1
(10:43:34)
Marc Groeneweg
@Denesh: I'll take a double :-)
(10:43:39)
Denesh Bhabuta
:-)
(10:43:47)
Daniel Karrenberg
niall, fyi: i would like to expand on what hans petter said for 45 seconds.
(10:43:52)
Nurani Nimpuno
@Eileen Agree 100%. Well spoken!
(10:44:13)
Shane Kerr
FYI, the DNS working group has term limits and also staggered co-chair slots to help training/on-boarding new chairs.
(10:44:15)
Daniel Karrenberg
@eileen: ><><><><><
(10:44:28)
James Kennedy
great suggestions Eileen
(10:44:43)
James Blessing
Random question - is there a term limit for Ripe Chair?
(10:44:49)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
the feedback form has 13 questions and fails around 10th (so it does not accept my answer for 10 and then cannot submit entire set of answers.)
(10:44:52)
Brian Nisbet
James, yes, 2 x 5 year terms.
(10:45:02)
James Blessing
thx
(10:45:05)
Daniel Karrenberg
coffeee!
(10:45:09)
Dmitry Kohmanyuk
something simpler like “topic of feedback + text” is better
(10:45:10)
maybe 3 x 3 years
(10:45:22)
staggering is also good
(10:46:11)
Marc Groeneweg
time for my double espresso!
(10:46:53)
Wolfgang Zenker
thanks, Daniel
(10:46:54)
Olivia Mijnals-Ruimwijk
This session has now ended. The RIPE Community Plenary will continue at 11:00 (UTC +1). The full RIPE 81 meeting plan is available at: /programme/meeting-plan/
(10:47:09)
