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Christopher Amin
Hi everyone, I'm Christopher Amin from the RIPE NCC. This chat panel is meant for discussion ONLY. If you have questions for the speaker and you want the session chair to read it out, please write it in the Q&A window stating your name and affiliation. Otherwise, you can ask questions using the microphone icon.
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
@nick: this numeber happens when you re-connect and your first handle is still considered active. Nothing Anna can do about that.
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Dmitry Kohmanyuk
IPv10!
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Jen Linkova
IPv10!! ;)))
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Michael Richardson
Enough is Enough!
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Brian Trammell
doesn't work
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does exist, but doesn't work.
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Ave Ozkal
We need IPv4+ instead /s
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Guillaume Rousseau
haha
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James Shank
IPv4e (/me runs away)
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Jen Linkova
IPvNG ;)
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Michael Richardson
all extensions to IPv4 would be as incompatible with IPv4 as IPv6.
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Tom Hill
Run fast, run far. :p
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Christian Bretterhofer
We need to be a little be serious that enterprises are able to follow
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Jan Walzer
wasn't there a proposal on IPv4plus ?
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Christian Bretterhofer
We need to be a little more serious that enterprises are able to follow
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Dmitry Kohmanyuk
FIrst rule of IPv4+: you do not talk about IPv4+
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Jan Walzer
ah, I remember. It is discussed in the Secret WG
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Michael Richardson
TUBA was a proposal back in 1994.
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Christian Bretterhofer
https://p4.org/assets/P4-Boot-Camp-Intro-to-P4-Chang.pdf
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Jan Zorz
Secret WG denies everything.
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Jen Linkova
Jan: weird. I'd expect Secret WG to deny that they are denying anything
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Jan Zorz
Indeed :)
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that's what I heard... :)
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Ave Ozkal
Secret WG denies ties to spamhaus
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Jan Walzer
so we don't have a denial from the Working group, that is working on IPv4+ ? ... can I cite that?
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Jan Zorz
depends on which WG you mean :)
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there is no WG that is working on IPv4+ :D
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Jan Walzer
the one that isn't denying ;)
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Jen Linkova
It's all outdated, apparently we have IPv6+ now.
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Jan Zorz
hahaha
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Franziska Lichtblau_855
sounds great !
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Jen Linkova
I'm not joking. Google it.
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Ave Ozkal
Wait what
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Franziska Lichtblau_855
... do i need to be scared?
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Ave Ozkal
> Dr. Latif Ladid, Founder&President of the IPv6 Forum and Chairman of the ETSI IP6 Group, shared the latest innovation from IPv6 to IPv6+ and how to better guarantee new services such as autonomous driving, industrial automation, and VR/AR in 5G and cloud era.
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I am scared
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IPv6+ seems to just be like "IPv6 but we tie it with 5G and AI and stuff"
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Will van Gulik
lots of buzzwords ...
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Jan Walzer
ipv6+5g
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Ave Ozkal
So just marketing fluff
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Tom Hill
*groans*
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Jen Linkova
I don't know, because I can not understand what that IPv6+ things is...but as I can see Retevia offering it, I know whom to ask....:)
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Jan Walzer
they should use ipv5 for 5g
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Radu-Adrian Feurdean
blockchain is missing in that description
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
*yawn*
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Michael Richardson
Agreed, IPv6>5G.
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Tom Hill
https://www.ipv6plus.net/
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Lucas Dousse
ipv6+ is a "Bingo joke "
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Tom Hill
This appeared before/around about the same time that the ETSI ISG submission appeared.
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Ave Ozkal
I for one am excited for COVID over IP protocol that they'll need to invent for IPv6+
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Mohamad Choaib
tell me it is a boring academic working on 5G and AI stuff
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Tom Hill
@Lucas I wish it was a joke.
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Jen Linkova
Maybe IPv6overCOVID?
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Ave Ozkal
lol
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Michael Richardson
CoIPv6VID.
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Mohamad Choaib
bored*
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academics are not all boring
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Tom Hill
@Mohamad it isn't :)
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Radu-Adrian Feurdean
nah, COVID only runs over 5G
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Michael Richardson
CoIPv6VID: A vendor proprietary form of constrained IPv6.
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Jan Zorz
hahaha
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Michael Richardson
@Jen, time to promote RFC8925!
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Ave Ozkal
Ah snap, I won't be able to deploy COIPv6VID on our mikrotiks anytime soon it seems
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Jen Linkova
Michael Richardson: it will be mentioned on my slides in 30 mins ;))
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Andreas Härpfer
Has anybody already introduced the IPv6+ guy to the IPv4+ guy?
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Tom Hill
Pls no
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Jan Zorz
Michael: RFC8925 is clearly part of IPv6+ suite :) :) :)
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Tom Hill
Pls, my industry, it is sick.
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Robert Scheck
I would wait for IPv4++ and IPv6++, because it sounds more advanced.
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Brian Trammell
if you introduce the IPv4+ guy to the IPv6+ guy, you get the IPv10 guy
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Jen Linkova
Jan Zorz: how dare you???! ;)
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Jan Zorz
IPv10++
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Mohamad Choaib
so from quickly looking it up it looks like a bunch of SR
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Brian Trammell
and i think a beta particle? it's exothermic at least.
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Michael Richardson
@Brian, are you sure? I 4X6=24.
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James Shank
IPv6++ is the object orientated flavor?
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Jan Zorz
Jen: I'm fine... recovered from opening session :)
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James Blessing
ipv10 surely
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Franziska Lichtblau_855
Brian... are you ok? ;)
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Jan Zorz
Rhalina: <giggle>
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Brian Trammell
it's the first week of post-DST so, as usual, no. :)
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
@brian: no beta particle, just 6 types of bozons
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Brian Trammell
:D
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
or bogons, don't remember
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Jan Walzer
but IPv6++ is post-increment so it gets bigger, everytime you write about IPv7++
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Brian Trammell
bogons are a control plane concept
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Tom Hill
Plenty more bogons, sadly.
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Jen Linkova
Daniel: "Six quarks for Muster Mark! "
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Andreas Härpfer
Perhaps at some point it becomes critical mass and the whole mess blows up.
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
I was talking about particles not addresses
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Vladislav Bidikov
Any of the Netnod people alive ?
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Tom Hill
IRC is that way ->
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Vladislav Bidikov
This is IRC++ :)
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Tom Hill
I'm not sure about that
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
ircv42
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Marco Hogewoning
Kinda now wondering what would happen if you smash two IP packets together properly, like close to light speed
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Jan Zorz
something something quantum something :)
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Jen Linkova
Marco: Quantum Internet WG is next door
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Tom Hill
Seems like good work for CERN, not RIPE :p
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Brian Trammell
you can try it out, just plug TX to TX
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Daniel Karrenberg_423
@marco: not possible IP packets are immaterial, (whereas Latif is material)
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Robert Kisteleki
sparkling idea
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Marco Hogewoning
@brian I should not be the first to do that, right?
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Sascha Growe_446
Higgs-Boson IP
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Jan Zorz
Any NetNodfolx around here?
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NetNod even
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Marco Hogewoning
IP packet with a massive payload that only exists for part of a nanosecond
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Michael Richardson
Whiteboxes rule :-)
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Maximilian Wilhelm
Ask Cumulus about that ;-)
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Tom Hill
Curious as to whether or not this work can be ported to CUDA...
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Jan Walzer
CUDA needs more blockchain for that
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Linas Lesauskas
only if one finds GTX3080 with two SFP+ ports
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Jan Walzer
now, to be honest, Displayport implements network streams
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Stefan Hedenig
Some Dell switches used HDMI for stacking...
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Tom Hill
Yes they did! PC5500 models
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Weird things.
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Stefan Hedenig
so just hook those up to any GPU and write a bit of glue code :D
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Maximilian Wilhelm
And add a little glue so the HDMI plugs don't fall off that easily
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Vladislav Bidikov
DELL and D-link switches used just the connector (HDMI) for stacking... pin out quite diferent (and generates blue smoke)
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Nico Schottelius
If anyone is interested in talking more about P4/NAT64, you can reach me at nico [at] ungleich [dot] ch
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Joachim Ernst
PureLink has their Ultra-Lock-System for HDMI.
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Wolfgang Tremmel
who remembers the Test-Traffic-Project? Loved the one-way measurements.
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Christian Teuschel
yes, TTM!
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Wolfgang Tremmel
also remember the issues getting GPS antennas on top of datacenters
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Niall O'Reilly
My Turris is running the virtual probe
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Ave Ozkal
50% virtual anchors is interesting.
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That half the people went ahead with an anchor hardware purchase, I mean.
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Michael Richardson
The virtual anchors are a new thing, I think.
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Paul Thornton
There was no option when Anchors first appeared.
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Hardware 1U box only.
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Ave Ozkal
Virtual anchors have existed for 2 years
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Jan Zorz
I still have the old physical anchor... not sure if NCC is still using that ;)
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Brian Nisbet_375
Yeah, recently upgraded 1u Anchor box.
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Michael Richardson
Q 6-million-dollar-man music.
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Brian Nisbet_375
They should be, Jan.
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Paul Thornton
Jan> So do I, and it is still in use.
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Jan Zorz
ok
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Brian Nisbet_375
They mailed me about the upgrade a couple of months ago, then found a way to upgrade the OS.
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Rob Evans
Hmm, my v1 probe is not too far off Robert's max uptime: 9y 166d 3h 40m
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Will van Gulik
Jan: dont you look your traffic there ?
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Brian Nisbet_375
I remember the big deal internally to purchase that box because of who it was coming from.
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Mirjam Kühne
That is amazing @Rob
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Ave Ozkal
^^^
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Vladislav Bidikov
yup, our IXP.mk FCSE anchor got updated ...
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Marco Hogewoning
@brain back of a van?
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Rob Evans
Even more amazing given the dodgy DHCP server it uses.
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Niall O'Reilly
My v1: 9y 114d 2h 46m lags Rob's a bit
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Brian Nisbet_375
Not quite, Marco, but iirc the person in question wasn't a fan of formal finance?
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Ave Ozkal
Wow, I think I'll hit 100m credits in a week or so
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Jan Zorz
Will: not anymore - it's tiny ;)
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Ave Ozkal
oh wait, in a day or so
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Mike Hughes
My v2 died last year. Never had a v1.
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Daniel Karrenberg_934
My v1 is still going strong!
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Christian Bretterhofer
8GB /year bandwith usage?
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per probe
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Jan Zorz
hmm... no link on the port - apparently my anchor died for some reason
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I'll have a look when I go to go6lab
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Elvis Velea
proud owner of probe 28, 10th oldest still active :)
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Ave Ozkal
Wow
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Andreas Wittkemper
how do you check that ?
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Franziska Lichtblau_855
now we're getting a probe contest o/
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Will van Gulik
ahaha
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Ave Ozkal
Andreas: Check the ID
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Brian Nisbet_375
Yay, thanks Robert, thanks to the Atlas team!
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Will van Gulik
my older died so ;)
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Ave Ozkal
The "lowest" number I have is software probe 27 and 28
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Mirjam Kühne
Thanks, Robert. clap clap
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Ave Ozkal
(1000027 - 1000028)
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Christopher Amin
This session has now ended. The plenary will continue at 15:00 CET (UTC +2). More info on the RIPE 81 meeting plan: https://ripe81.ripe.net/programme/meeting-plan/
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