Newcomers introduction
27th October 2020
10 a.m.

Here we go!

CHAIR: Hello! Can you hear me? I was just struggling with the technology. Good morning everyone, I see a lot of familiar names in the chat. This is the newcomers session, welcome to the RIPE 81 newcomer session, I am happy to have you all there. I don't know how many people are there, over 200 people, we actually have 200 newcomers and registered, so, it's great to see so many of you new and old, it doesn't matter.

I will try to share my screen now, see if that works. We did test this, 100 times, but who knows. If all goes well you should see my screen. And I don't see you any more, so if you tell me anything in chat or even private chat, I won't see that. So if there is anything wrong you have to shout at me.

Assuming all is well, welcome again to this newcomers session. This is the 81st RIPE meeting, and the very first RIPE meeting was in Amsterdam in '89, if this is your first RIPE meeting a special welcome to you but of course also to everyone else. My name is Mirjam Kuhne, I am the RIPE Chair since September, and I work for the RIPE NCC for many years as a community builder and also for the Internet Society before, then a lot of outreach and community building in the technical communities, and I studied originally computer science in Berlin, and now I am in the RIPE Chair and I am opening this meeting, it's very exciting.

We also have a vice‑chair, Niall, do you want to say few words?

NIALL O'REILLY: Yes, thanks, Mirjam, and good wishes for the meeting to everybody, especially to you, who has to chair it, steer us through all of this. As you can see from the slide that Mirjam has put up, I have been coming to RIPE meetings on and off since RIPE 3 in 1990. That was in Amsterdam too. And I have worked in a university in the network infrastructure and I have done some DNS stuff and I have chaired a couple of RIPE Working Groups, and now for some reason, the RIPE community made me vice‑chair to be part of a team with Mirjam, and it's been a busy month and and a half, couple of months, since the 1st September when we started, and it's been fun so far. It's great working with Mirjam.

CHAIR: Thanks Neil, thanks for the introduction do it. Etc. Been great fun so far, it's only a few weeks but itless feels like we have already done a lot, it seems.

Talking about old RIPE meetings, this is a bit of a blast from the past. I never had one of those, my first computer was an Atari back when, and on the right‑hand side you can see, I think actually this is the basically the Internet of Europe, in Europe in 1990. And if you look closely you see most of these networks were academic networks and also obviously the first networks that were connected and also most of the early RIPE community members from the academic networks, there was even a Connect Working Group back in the day in RIPE I believe where they were updating each other about new connections, even new countries being connected to the Internet, new connections being made between them, and at some point obviously it got out‑of‑hand and consistent scale, but I just wanted to remind of you how far we have come so far.

So, now before with we dive more into what the RIPE community and about the RIPE meeting, I am just curious to find out a bit from you. How many of you know the difference between RIPE and the RIPE NCC? And if all goes well, Niall is preparing a poll for you. If you see on the left‑hand side of your screen, on the left top, there is a little bar, like a statistics icon, if you click on that you will see a poll, and if you just put in, if you know the difference between RIPE and the RIPE NCC or not, then Niall will see the results and will read them out in a second.

NIALL O'REILLY: 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
And we have 72% yes and 27% no. I think there are too many non‑beginners here.

CHAIR: Exactly. Ity always good to get a reminder. A little refresher. We are going to explain it anyway. Thanks for participating in this poll. And just to ‑‑ explain a bit more about this. We are mostly talking here about the RIPE community, so RIPE stands for the (French) which at the time it was formed in 1989, the ten or twelve participants at the time, they felt it was cool to have a French name with an English acronym kind of thing at the time, and obviously this stand for European IP network, and it was formed mostly to promote IP at the time in '89 it wasn't quite so clear that's the way to go, but obviously it is, because that's what we are using still today.

It's an open community, anybody could join from day one and it was open to all. It was mostly meant for information exchange, promotion of the technology, and also technical coordination of some of the, some aspects of the network, some of the identifiers and network‑specific things, and they needed to be coordinated. That's still what it does today. Obviously it's a bit bigger, we have over 1,000 registrations for this meeting as of this morning and so RIPE does that and also policy development of some of the identifiers, like identifiers who gets which ‑‑ how many IP addresses and on what basis and so on and so forth. That's all developed in an open forum, which is RIPE.

On the other hand, we have the RIPE NCC, the (French), it's even weirder name, and so at the time in like '92, the RIPE community felt it was time to maybe have some paid staff, and they formed the secretariat, which basically in the beginning helped RIPE to organise the meetings, the mailing lists, they also started setting up this database with all the IP addresses and contact duties and which network uses what, which then later turned into the RIPE database which you are still using today, and I am sure you will hear more about this during the week.

The RIPE NCC, compared to the RIPE community, is a legal entity, RIPE is not a legal entity, RIPE NCC is a legal entity, it is a membership association under Dutch law. It has RIPE NCC staff, a lot of them you also see in the Meetecho rooms this week, they are organised the whole meeting in the ground. There is an Executive Board elected by the members, elected by the RIPE NCC members and you also see those, the active board later this week and also the members meeting. And the RIPE NCC, mostly provides services to the members, but also to the Internet at large, to the larger community.

And what's also important is that the RIPE NCC listens very carefully to what the RIPE community does and decide and it wants and it implements the policies that are developed in the open RIPE community. So that's a lot of inter‑relation between the RIPE and the RIPE NCC, they are distinct kind of entities.

Right. Now let's go back more into the RIPE community and the RIPE meeting.

So the RIPE community has at the moment 12 Working Groups, I will go through them in a second. And you can communicate each of the Working Group has a mailing list, and there is also the larger RIPE list mailing list for the entire RIPE community.

They are mostly meant for you know discussions and also formal recording and archiving of the discussion and the decisions are made, so all ‑‑ you don't have to be at the meeting, because all the decisions are actually made on the mailing list and the conclusions are on the mailing list and they are open, you can subscribe and just listen in, and participate, of course.

Now, let's go through the Working Groups quickly. I wanted to really show you what they do and who they are, because they are really are kind of large part of the, what the RIPE community is and also a large part of what happens at these meetings.

First of all, we have ‑‑ I'm going through them alphabetically, there is no order in value or whatever, mostly alphabetically.

Address Policy, as the name says, they are dealing with anything related to identifiers, IPv4, IPv6, AS numbers and who gets what.

Then we have Anti‑Abuse, and they are dealing with online abuse and what the RIPE community can do about it.

Then we have Cooperation, and that's an interesting one, it was formed many years ago to allow governments and, like, you know, members of regulators and governments and geos to come to the RIPE meeting and meet the technical community. So it's a bit like a bridge between the technical community and non‑technical participants, and then so they exchange information in this Working Group.

Then we have Connect. It's different than the Connect Working Group I mentioned earlier but they are still dealing with the role inter‑connection has and what it means also for policy makers, and that's that Working Group for this.

And then we have the Database Working Group to discuss everything related to the RIPE database that I mentioned earlier. The new objects, functionalities, attributes and everything that the RIPE community feels it's necessary in the RIPE database is discussed there. Then, on the other hand, the RIPE NCC is the one maintaining the database, the software and the data that's in there.

Then we have the domain name system Working Group. You know, it deals with everything related to the DNS and there is a lot of expertise in this Working Group, a lot of people who have a lot of experience with DNS, so that's a good place if you are interested in that.

Then we have IPv6 Working Group, that still has to promote IPv6, we're not quite there yet, so they still have a lot of work to do.

Then there is another Working Group with an acronym, the Measurements Analysis and Tools Working Group. They basically do just that, they exchange information about measurements, monitoring, analysis, it's kind of a good place also for research. It kind of bridges a bit research and the operations, so, network operations, so they have some interesting presentations there.

And then there is an Open Source Working Group to promote an Open Source software and make each other aware of what's happening in that field.

A relatively young Working Group is the Internet of things Working Group, and they are currently working on a document, on a best current practices document, they will be discussing later in the week.

And then this one is an interesting one, the RIPE NCC Services Working Group. As I explained earlier, the RIPE NCC provides services to its members and the larger community, which is basically funded and decided by the membership. But a lot of these services are meant for the RIPE community or provided to the RIPE community, so this is the Working Group where the RIPE NCC reports back to the community and where the community can give feedback to the RIPE NCC without having to be a member of the RIPE NCC. And they usually meet during the RIPE meeting before the members' meeting, before the General Meeting.

So, to kind of combine those two meetings.

And then, last but not least, the Routing Working Group. That deals with anything related to like BGP, RPKI, any other routing technologies.

So, this gives you a bit of an overview of what is happening content‑wise this week.

Now, let's go back into the more administrative, logistical part of the RIPE meeting and get you through the week as best as possible.

You can find the meeting plan online and it's interactive, if you go to the actual session or, you know, the name of the session, you can click on it and you see the agenda. Every session starts on the full hour. So that's kind of easy to remember and most of them they last for 45 minutes and then we have a short 15‑minute break between, except for the lunch break and the session before, it's a bit longer, it's an hour, but every session starts at the full hour, that's a good guideline. There will be fun in between, some quizzes and social events, I'll get to that.

This is the group of people that make up the Programme Committee and they are responsible for the programme of the Plenary. I have been talking about the Working Groups a lot, but there is also the Tuesday, today is the day with the Plenary sessions and a bit on Friday as well, which is not organised by the Working Groups themselves but it's like the Programme Committee is responsible for the programme. So, thank you to them for putting together the Plenary sessions today.

And there are actually two seats available. Two of them will step down and there are two new seats available and elections are still open if you go to the main website you'll see a link from there and you can still nominate until later today and I will also like to ask you to look at the candidates and vote for them, and, on Friday, the results will be made public.

Code of Conduct. That's important. The RIPE community has a Code of Conduct that applies to both the RIPE meetings and also the mailing lists.

This is the current Code of Conduct. Obviously we are coming from all kinds of backgrounds, genders, cultures, beliefs and we want to have a good experience here and create a respectful and pleasant environment. And so please, follow that Code of Conduct. There is a link here you can read if you haven't seen it.

And I believe Vesna is going to say a few words now.

VESNA MANOJLIVIC: Hi. I am Vesna, and I'm part of the Trusted Contacts Team, together with Rob Evans, and so please approach us if you feel in any way harmed or hurt or offended during this virtual meeting. We have more work to do in the real meetings, because there is more social interactions and drinking going on, so this time we don't expect too much work, but still, if you want to contact us you can e‑mail us and you can also find us on chat. The phone call is also available on request you can send a BGP encrypted e‑mail. And we are trained trained to give comfort and to be helpful to the people, so please talk to us, we are very nice and if you are at any point needing a friend, you can always talk to us. So I also speak Dutch and Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, so we can talk in other languages too. Thank you.

CHAIR: Thanks, Vesna. It's kind of difficult in this virtual environment you know to get to know each other but I thought it would be nice if at least hear Vesna's voice and see her face. Please don't hesitate to contact them if you have any concerns about the Code of Conduct.

Now, on the other hand, we would like to encourage you, of course, to speak up also in public in the meeting, so in this new platform we are using here, you can use the audio queue, you can speak up and I saw some of you have kind of tested this when you logged in to the platform this morning.

I know your name at the top left there is a little audio ‑‑ microphone button, you can use that and then you request to speak during the session if you have a question for the speaker, for instance, and then the Chair of the session can grant you access to the audio. Or, if you just want to type in a question, you can use the question and answer's queue, that's a left ‑‑ that's a little question mark kind of next to, on top of the participants list. And please put in your name and affiliation when you ask a question there.

It's linked to Slido, so if you start, if you open that question and answers queue, it asks you to put in your name and affiliation, it's easiest if you put all in the name field, if you just put name and affiliation together and the names field and then it will show up next time you ask a question. It's just a little tip.

And there is also a chat, and some of you ‑‑ most of you already used it it this morning to say hello. You can also use private chat. If you go to the participants list and you hover over the name of the person, you'll see a little bubble there and you can chat with that person directly without the whole group seeing it.

There are other ways to connect with each other, we are experimenting with a new social tool, not only the meeting tool platform is new, also the social tool is using is called SpatialChat and the meeting team has sent a mail to all the participants this morning, with a link and the password for the tool and you can try that out, there are ultimately rooms, there is a coffee break area. You can also meet with the speakers there or maybe arrange some meetings with a small number of people in there, it works very well, I have tried it out.

And then there is also the networking app that the RIPE NCC has been developing on the phone, so you can use, you can see the agenda there and you can also see the attendees list and contact them directly to possibly arrange side meetings with them.

And yes, I don't know if I mentioned this already, there is also of course the attendees list on the RIPE 81 site where you can also find contact information for those people who have put it in.

And if you go through the week and you hear the presentations in the Plenary and also the Working Groups, we would like to ask you to rate them. If you like them or if you don't like them or if you have any comments or feedback, that will be very helpful both for the Programme Committee and also for the speakers themselves. You need to log in with a single sign‑on access account, RIPE NCC access account, but you can easily create that if you don't have one. Then you can see next to the presentations you can see a little rating button and then you can click on it and leave your feedback.

Next, I would like to introduce you to Nathalie. Nathalie, are you there?

NATHALIE TRANAMAN: Good morning, yes. Welcome everybody. Very exciting to have the RIPE meeting again. The Meet and Greet Team is here and consists of a number of RIPE NCC colleagues who are your welcoming team, and we are this week on SpatialChat. There is a dedicated meet and greet room, we are not wearing the red T‑shirts this time but we have a red background so we are easy to find. You can ask us anything, if you would like to be introduced to somebody or if you have questions about the programme or you don't know how something works, just ask us anything, we're here to help and for now I wish you a very good meeting and come and see us.

CHAIR: Thanks, Nathalie. And then, this is also a team that can help you if you have any questions. Now, these are the two ladies who basically organise a lot of meeting in the background and all the logistics, Alexandra and Martina. You can reach them by sending mail to meeting [at] ripe [dot] net if you have any questions and they are also the ones who send out all the information about the meeting platform and the links and everything. If you have any technical problems, there is also a technical team. You will see in all the rooms and also on Meetecho, and on SpatialChat you can reach them ‑‑ e‑mail them at this address.

And finally, please provide your feedback during the meeting or after the meeting, especially if you are new, we would really like to hear from you and see if how you liked the meeting, or if you have any suggestions for us.

Now, this was my part and I would like to hand over to Hans Petter, who is the Managing Director of the RIPE NCC, to talk about the other organisation that's involved in this, the RIPE NCC. So, Hans Petter, I am going to control the slides for you and then you'll speak.

HANS PETTER HOLEN: Thank you, Mirjam. So, this is my second RIPE meeting as Managing Director for the RIPE NCC. And the RIPE NCC is, you can say, the secretariat for the RIPE community. It acts as the regional Internet registry for Europe, the Middle East and central Asia, and we maintain the RIPE database, we operate the K‑root server, we build and maintain Internet measurement tools like RIPE Atlas, RIPE Stat, RIS and more. We do also provide quite a few online trainings and learning and certifications, and when it's possible to travel again, we will resume doing that in person in all of our service regions as well.

And last but not least, we organise RIPE meetings, such as this one, but also regional events likely ENOG, MENOG and SEC, and also some membership lunches, which is brings us to the next slide.

We do have a support room here at the ‑‑ at this meeting, a virtual one, where you can contact staff to help you. You can reach them in SpatialChat, and anything related to the RIPE NCC, you can walk over to the virtual support desk and asks questions, and really, we mean it.

The Executive Board, they are kind of my bosses, they tell me what to do, not on a daily basis, but on the strategy level.

You have on the top here, Christian Kaufman, the Chair, Piotor, the secretary, Remco, Andrei the Treasurer, Maria Hall, Falk and ‑‑ as regular board members.

The board meets every second month or so, or at least four times a year, maybe a bit more, to give direction to the RIPE NCC, and if you want to meet them and ask some questions or give them some suggestions, there is a virtual event tonight at the 1800 UTC plus 1, where you can show up and ask them anything you want.

So, one important things for a membership organisation like the RIPE NCC is the General Meeting and we actually have two general meetings each year, we have one in the spring and one in the autumn. The autumn one we talk about the activity plan and budget for next year. While in the spring one we approve the account for the last year and also elect board members.

To participate in this, you have to be a member, so, your organisation needs to be a member of the RIPE NCC. You need to register separately and voting like approving changes to the Articles of Association or things like that, they are done electronically by a voting system. So, even if you are participating remotely and are in another time zone, there is ample time to actually cast your vote there as well.

If you have any questions about the General Meeting, you have an e‑mail address here, agm [at] ripe [dot] net for queries.

And then, am I supposed to hand over to our policy development officer?

PETRIT HASANI: Yes. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. I would like to welcome all the newcomers to their first RIPE meeting and everyone who is returning to the RIPE meeting, welcome back. Today I just like to highlight the importance of participating, so, the RIPE community has a long established process to create policies called the RIPE Policy Development Process, but it's known as PDP in short, and as we saw before, this policy is regulated distribution of Internet number resources, so how much address space the RIPE NCC can actually give you.

As well as they define RIPE NCC Services set‑up these rules and they set other rules which you need to comply with. So it is highly important to follow the process and share your feedback.

If you'd like to start a policy proposal or if you have any questions about the process, please send me an e‑mail at pdo [at] ripe [dot] net or I'm in the RIPE networking app and I'll be able to assist you as much as possible.


CHAIR: Thanks. Are you done, Hans Petter? Then we'll move on to the last part of this.

HANS PETTER HOLEN: I think I am done, I don't have any more slides. So thank you, Mirjam. For those of you who are not newcomers, so I'll share this with newcomers, I used to be RIPE Chair up until this spring, but then when I took on the role as Managing Director of the RIPE NCC, then Mirjam was elected as RIPE Chair, so, I wish you all the look Mirjam in continuing and sharing this meeting, and talk to you later.

CHAIR: Thank you very much, Hans Petter. Thank you for everything and for, you know, handing this over to me.

And just to continue here, we have a few more minutes, we didn't tell you there will be a test at the end, so I hope you paid attention. And you will now meet Gerardo, who has prepared a test, a quiz for you.

GERARDO VIVIERS: Sure, high. I am from the learning and development department of the RIPE NCC. So we're going to play a quiz that's called Kahoot, some of you might know is and if you don't know it, let me explain to you how this works.

So on your mobile phone, which is the best way to play this game, go to, or you can download the Kahoot app on your phone. I am going to start sharing my screen in a second and you are going to see a game pin. You are going to have to put in your game pin there, it's a number, and when you sign up, you have to put in your nickname, but also your RIPE meeting registration number, and this is important, because we want to be able to reach out to you to give you a prize, so the top three winners of the quiz are going to get a T‑shirt sent to them. This is of course to give you a prize to of course see that you know your stuff. I wanted to say something nasty but I can't do that.

So ‑‑

CHAIR: Will I stop sharing?

GERARDO VIVIERS: Yes, so I can start sharing my screen. And here we go. We have the application window somewhere. One second. I have to figure out how this is going to work. Let's try again.

Boom! I hop all of you can see it there. Perfect. So, I am going to hide my face for now now, because that's not really important. But I hope you can all still hear me. Now, remember, sign with your name, but also your registration number, because we want to reach out to you to give you your prize.

And let's put a little bit of music to this. I am going to give you a couple of minutes to sign up. I think we're going to have a lot of people today.

There is going to be four answers to each question, and only one of those answers is right. In any case, you'll have to answer as fast as possible, the right answer. The person with the right answer and the quickest will get the most point and at the end of the ten questions the person with the most points will be number one. Then we'll have number two and then we'll have number three of course.

So, I'm going to give you...

We have enough signed up. Are we ready? Let's go, and this starts in ‑‑ take note of this!

3, 2, 1...

Who is the RIPE Chair?

Now, this is a really easy question. Really easy. Come on guys, you have to have this. Who is the RIPE Chair. Is it Hans Petter Holen, is it the oldest person at the RIPE meeting, or we vote for a new Chair at each meeting, what is it? Who is it? It's a really hard un. It is... Miriam Kuhne.

Yeah who presented herself as the RIPE Chair from the beginning of this meeting now.

I hope you have lender that. Let's go on to the next question. We have got Elvis at the front, Ollie Mupp, Drop Packet and Katliena.

Next question is:
What does the RIPE PC do?
Is it: Choose the preparations for the RIPE meeting Plenary sessions, does it select the Working Group Chairs. Does it choose the presentations for the Working Groups sessions or does it ensure that there are parties and celebrations at each RIPE meeting?

So, what does the RIPE PC do?

That's right shall the RIPE PC chooses the presentations for the RIPE meeting Plenary sessions, so that's what you know now too.

Let's go onto the next question.

As you saw the whole table change, we have dropped packet 17 at the front. Sascha coming up, Jan, Elvis going down and JZ 865.

The next question is:

Where can you find the RIPE NCC support desk?

Let's see what the crowd thinks. Is it SpatialChat, Facebook, Snapchat or SpatialChat?

And the right answer is SpatialChat. This is our chat programme we're using right now, our chat system so if you haven't tried it out, log in, the link is in your e‑mail.

And the tables have turned again, dropped packet 17 at the top, Sascha still come up close, 639 with no name, all of them coming up quick.

Let's go on to our next question:

Who makes policies?

So, the RIPE NCC, my grandma who always had an opinion, RIPE, or why should I care?

Well, that is the wrong answer. If I see anybody answering that, I will be very, very angry.

So, who made the policies? The RIPE NCC? My grandma, RIPE or why should I care?

Again, one person ‑‑ well actually most of them got the right answer, which is the RIPE community. Who makes the policies? Only the RIPE community. The RIPE NCC does something different. And one person does not really care.

That is a pity because policies do a lot.

So, dropped packet 17 still is he at the front. Let's see what comes up next.

Next question is:

Who implements policies?

Everybody; or the RIPE NCC; or RIPE community or my grandpa?

My grandpa, who is now making policies or actually implementing policies from beyond the grave. Let's see how many people answered the right answer?

The RIPE NCC. That is the correct answer. Only the RIPE NCC implements the policies. Only the RIPE community develops the policies. It's really clear‑cut. My grandpa, three people thought that implement the policies but that is wrong, my grandpa does nothing.

639 at the top now. I think we saw whoever was at the top fall. Let's see what happens next.

And the next question is:

You need to be a member to join...
RIPE, Hells Angels, the RIPE NCC or the RIPE meeting. What do you need to be a member to join?

I'd say maybe Hells Angels you'd have to be also a member or something. In any case, let's see what you think...

So, you need to be a member to join RIPE. That's wrong, you don't need to be a member, Mirjam just told you, you just have to sign up to the mailing list. Hells Angels, four people think you need to be a member. I think you just need a motorbike. To join the RIPE meeting anybody can join. The right answer is the RIPE NCC. To join the RIPE NCC you need to be a member.

Next question:

Let's see, Sascha at the front, Margo, AJ and the others are coming up.

This tables changes all the time.

Working Groups discuss policies on mailing lists, is this true or is this false?

This is a really, really, difficult question. No it's not. I think Mirjam told you everything you needed to know.

The right answer is true. If you want to participate in the policy‑making discussions, you have to sign up to the mailing list. Everybody knows that.

Let's see if the table has changed. Sascha still at the front, and the others coming up behind.

Onto the next question, which is: Which is of these is not a RIPE Working Group?

So, is it the IoT? Is it the Open Source, is it the DNS or is it the big data. Which is of these is not a working group.
I see people hurrying to answer the question.
Is it IoT? Open Source, DNS or Big Data? ?
The right answer is Big Data. There is no Big Data Working Group, there is an IoT, an Open Source and a DNS. Mirjam told you everything you needed to know. I hope you were paying attention.

And let's see if the tables have changed: Sascha still at the front.

Let's see what the next question is:

We have only two more, so you have to be fast if you want your T‑shirt.

Which of these came first?
RIPE 1, the first working worldwide web browser, the fall of the Berlin wall or Voyager 2 being closest to Neptune? Which of these came first?

I guess people who were born after a certain year will not know it unless they have been studying their history books. Ha ha!

The right answer is, and this is a really difficult one, was: RIPE 1. The RIPE 1 meeting took place before the first working worldwide web browser appeared, before the fall of the Berlin Wall and before Voyager 2 got closest to Neptune. So 45 of you had the right answer.

Let's see if the score board changes. Sascha still at the front. Marcus, AJ etc.

Let's go on to our nest question:

Does RIPE have a Secret Working Group?
So, there are no secrets, there is no such working group. If it's a secret, we would never tell!
And somebody might ask, when is a working group?
Yeah, so, what is it? The first answer, the second answer, the third answer or is it a credit?

So the truth is if it's a secret we would never tell. Cannot tell you.

Let's see who is our winner. Take note of this. Number 1 is ‑‑ sorry, number 3 is all, AJ and number one is Sascha 1072, the only one who put their number. And we have runners‑up.

So this has been the quiz. I hope you have all been able to follow and take note of these questions. Now, I am going to show you the top ranking so you can keep on seeing this or not. No, I won't, let's go back to the podium.

I think I am going to stop sharing my screen now and hand it back to Mirjam.

CHAIR: Thanks a lot, Gerardo, that was very funny, a great start to the meeting. I have to explain things a bit clearer next time because not everybody got everything right. But thanks a lot. We have a few minutes ‑‑ actually, one, if there is any questions at this point, you can either you know, click on your microphone button or put in the little question mark Q&A queue and then Niall will handle that.

I don't see anything. There will be plenty of time during the week to ask for questions or you can also meet in SpatialChat. This was it. This was the newcomers session, first session of the week. We have a quick break now and, after that, there will be the official opening of the RIPE meeting. Enjoy your week and talk to you later. Bye.

(Coffee break)